tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post8805466782722664879..comments2024-03-01T00:42:30.839-08:00Comments on LIFT-RUN-BANG: Base building part 8 - Consistency trumps all - section APaul Carterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15352715396075897963noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-9093577084701484512013-03-06T20:06:19.028-08:002013-03-06T20:06:19.028-08:00It definitely works for some people, and for some ...It definitely works for some people, and for some people it doesn't. There are lots of guys who have tried it that way (heavy all the time, and training really often) and failed. There are guys who have tried it with low volume or lower frequency, and didn't not achieve much success either. <br /><br />It really comes back to both physiological factors, and mental factors. Some guys Paul Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15352715396075897963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-60772613063133955752013-03-06T16:24:11.993-08:002013-03-06T16:24:11.993-08:00Paul, I abhor all manners of internet debate and I...Paul, I abhor all manners of internet debate and I know you do too, so I'm just going to ask your opinion on the following and leave it at that. No protracted arguing, no internet BS:<br /><br />Are guys who train a lot more and a lot heavier than you recommend, notably Jamie and current 198 champion Jesse Norris, simply genetic outliers who are capable of bending the precepts of training? AsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06258211946712172395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-50168076087506443072013-03-05T13:44:19.682-08:002013-03-05T13:44:19.682-08:00I'm trying to find where I said, you'd nev...I'm trying to find where I said, you'd never be tired. However, you should, more often than not, leave the gym NOT tired. You're comparing gymnastic training to powerlifting. It's apples and monkey balls. Paul Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15352715396075897963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-32819566433042264032013-03-05T13:11:48.741-08:002013-03-05T13:11:48.741-08:00Waspgumbo, what do you overhead press? And I'm...Waspgumbo, what do you overhead press? And I'm not arguing that PC's way doesn't work. Obviously it does, and well too. I'm just saying that to get really good at things, it will take enough effort to make you tired. <br /><br />PC, despite not lifting weights, the women who train with me can both do 10 or more deadhang chin ups and, on the rare occasions when we've gone to a RJ Nelsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00725275856743537418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-67620096539640274932013-03-05T13:03:19.258-08:002013-03-05T13:03:19.258-08:00RJ, you keep training gymnasts and I will keep tra...RJ, you keep training gymnasts and I will keep training powerlifters. Paul Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15352715396075897963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-59254222969183968082013-03-05T12:57:32.000-08:002013-03-05T12:57:32.000-08:00I used to train like you, until about 9 months ago...I used to train like you, until about 9 months ago when I came across Paul's blog. Since following his methodologies, ie training light and leaving the gym feeling great, I've added more than 40lbs to my OHP, all my other lifts have gone up by at least that much, and I feel in top condition all the time. I'm not even an elite or advanced level powerlifter, but following Paul's Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-77076578907172908922013-03-05T12:56:25.837-08:002013-03-05T12:56:25.837-08:00I never said "brutally tired", I just sa...I never said "brutally tired", I just said tired. Workouts should cause fatigue. If there's no fatigue, there's nothing to spur adaptation. Sure, you might end up mentally focused and more mobile after a workout, but you'll still be tired.<br /><br />And no, your clients were not training as I describe otherwise they would have been getting results and wouldn't have to RJ Nelsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00725275856743537418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-31510570014406748242013-03-05T12:40:26.187-08:002013-03-05T12:40:26.187-08:00You should in fact, feel better after training. N...You should in fact, feel better after training. Not tired. <br /><br />I already told you of all of these people. I have a whole series going on where I quoted them. <br /><br />I don't know of any elite level guy that trains so hard he's brutally tired after training. NONE. You can only do that for so long. <br /><br />The rest of your post there pretty much clarifies what others Paul Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15352715396075897963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-39491387033673193712013-03-05T12:30:44.022-08:002013-03-05T12:30:44.022-08:00PC, you're not even addressing the point that ...PC, you're not even addressing the point that I'm making. I said that if your training has you feeling better after a training session, you're not training hard enough. That is what I'm arguing. I'm not arguing that you shouldn't monitor volume and recovery, I'm just saying that feeling refreshed after most of your training sessions isn't optimal. <br /><br />Sure,RJ Nelsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00725275856743537418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-29973665676668959032013-03-05T11:21:39.369-08:002013-03-05T11:21:39.369-08:00....I also bet that KK, Klokov, Poundstone, etc al.......I also bet that KK, Klokov, Poundstone, etc all train balls out every session, every day, year round. Right? RIGHT?<br /><br />They manage intensity from workout to workout, week to week. Hell, I think that Poundstone has an "arm day" in there. LOL <br /><br />You're missing the entire point of this series. It's that you can't CAN'T train balls out all the timePaul Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15352715396075897963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-79339797773175572672013-03-05T11:18:33.869-08:002013-03-05T11:18:33.869-08:00"5-6 hard sets of pressing and 5-6 sets of pu..."5-6 hard sets of pressing and 5-6 sets of pulling every day and by the end of them I'm beat."<br /><br />5-6 hard sets of benches / overheads and 5-6 sets of DLs every day? Also back / front squats somewhere in the mix? That sounds like killer volume.<br /><br />How much weight are these people moving in the SQ/BP/DL?Fatmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18077817670776459628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-22796503153911170502013-03-05T11:12:17.167-08:002013-03-05T11:12:17.167-08:00I think you have to manage your intensity in order...I think you have to manage your intensity in order to allow recovery and supercompensation to take place. You can sneak in all sorts of "small sessions" in order to "fill in the gaps" so to speak, but you don't want to overrun your recovery from the big stuff.Paul Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15352715396075897963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-10121032653919143652013-03-05T11:11:04.037-08:002013-03-05T11:11:04.037-08:00Thanks for alerting me to all of this info. I jus...Thanks for alerting me to all of this info. I just started this lifting thing a week or so ago and need all the help I can get. <br /><br />I find it funny that guys like Sam Byrd, Mishal, Andy Bolton, Ed Coan, etc all disagree with your stance. That eventually working too hard has the opposite effects than allowing recovery to take place. I've also found the same. If you want to train Paul Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15352715396075897963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-41114244503777229762013-03-05T11:00:50.964-08:002013-03-05T11:00:50.964-08:00You know, I bet Klokov, Konstaninov, Poundstone, a...You know, I bet Klokov, Konstaninov, Poundstone, and all other great strength athletes leave the gym feeling wonderful. I bet they're never in any amount of pain or discomfort, either before or after lifting. <br /><br />Seriously though, we both know that's BS. The fastest, most effective ways to get strong all involve great deals of stress. Are your clients getting better? Absolutely. RJ Nelsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00725275856743537418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-52306067363432739772013-03-05T11:00:42.514-08:002013-03-05T11:00:42.514-08:00Maybe it's more acceptable to push it when the...Maybe it's more acceptable to push it when the intensity is lower, via stuff like "100's", rest pause, etc. when the overall intent is to build the supporting musculature. Then, when the big lifts come around, it's better to play it conservative with "training maxes" and regulate the intensity. Thoughts?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05007611507585196780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-82713689958554847092013-03-05T10:59:45.037-08:002013-03-05T10:59:45.037-08:00That's about as well as I could explain it mys...That's about as well as I could explain it myself. I never felt "relaxed". Constantly "revved". Eventually it just became too much for me. I hated training like that after 2 years of it. I tried to do it again I think 1 other time, and literally scrapped it the first night.Paul Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15352715396075897963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-7264329688916648982013-03-05T10:58:13.049-08:002013-03-05T10:58:13.049-08:00It's been my experience, among myself and the ...It's been my experience, among myself and the 15 or so people that I've trained or trained with, that the best results come when we are doing the basics for 5-10 reps, crushing a few sets (1-3) and moving on. It's actually almost incredible how smart the body is and how little it takes to start the adaptation process. I'm convinced 50% of the volume I see in the gym is ego volume. Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139935108524371790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-45216718924909120342013-03-05T10:51:21.606-08:002013-03-05T10:51:21.606-08:00I tried out DC for a while and most days of the we...I tried out DC for a while and most days of the week I felt CRUSHED... Like I was literally under the weight of something coming down on me. Even when lying down, I felt like I wanted to "lay down even more" some how because I just couldn't get that sensation of being relaxed.Lonniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990466174785255831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-38357908235470183382013-03-05T10:11:24.875-08:002013-03-05T10:11:24.875-08:00Sometimes yes, and sometimes no. Generally no, wh...Sometimes yes, and sometimes no. Generally no, which is why it wasn't a way I can train anymore. Also the reason why I see so many guys not able to train that way for years on end. You can do it for a little while, but eventually your mind will dread training and the body eventually revolts as well.Paul Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15352715396075897963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-5660428512968679482013-03-05T10:10:29.496-08:002013-03-05T10:10:29.496-08:00You absolutely should leave the gym feeling better...You absolutely should leave the gym feeling better than before you walked in. <br /><br />Also, did you bother reading how her lifts are skyrocketing or did you just pick that one part and then decide to argue? Or did you miss the part where the other guys I have helped hit PR's effortlessly as well? Paul Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15352715396075897963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-7735462880836739012013-03-05T09:48:22.322-08:002013-03-05T09:48:22.322-08:00Did you ever leave the gym feeling good and like y...Did you ever leave the gym feeling good and like you had more in the tank when you were doing DC?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05007611507585196780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5141022388560653061.post-58582102922847929512013-03-05T09:45:47.835-08:002013-03-05T09:45:47.835-08:00I would probably agree with your female client. If...I would probably agree with your female client. If she leaves the gym feeling good, she's probably leaving too much in the tank. With both myself and those who I've trained, more volume, more frequently has always lead to better results. Granted, I look at volume on a weekly and monthly scale, and I preach lots of sleep and good food, but still, you shouldn't be refreshed when you RJ Nelsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00725275856743537418noreply@blogger.com