MEAL #1: 10 whole eggs with 1 cup oats-- eat cooked
MEAL #2: 1.5 Met-Rx Packets (white packet) with 100g carb (ultrafuel)
MEAL #3: 6 McDonalds Cheeseburgers with Fries and 2 Apple Pies
MEAL #4: 1.5 Met-Rx Packets
(white packet) with 100g carb (ultrafuel)
MEAL #5: 12 whole eggs, 1 cup oats, 1 cup apple juice, 40g whey protein-- BLEND and DRINK
MEAL #6: 1.5 Met-Rx Packets (white packet) with 100g carb (ultrafuel)
MEAL #7: Chicken (8oz) with 1 cup rice
MEAL #8: 1.5 Met-Rx Packets (white packet) with 100g carb (ultrafuel)
MEAL #9: 12 Whole eggs, 1 cup oats, 1 cup apple juice, 40 g whey-- BLEND and DRINK
MEAL #10: 1.5 Met-Rx Packets (white packet) with 100g carb (ultrafuel)
MEAL #11: (middle of night: 3am) 1.5 Met-Rx Packets (white packet) with 100g carb (ultrafuel)
MEAL #12 (middle of night: 5am) 1.5 Met-Rx Packets (white packet) with 100g carb (ultrafuel)
I know Jamie has a carb phobia, so he desperately wants to believe you can get massive not eating carbs, but here's the deal.
Fact. Science. No one has done it, no one is ever going to do it. Carbs = glycogen and insulin and those two things are the most responsible for TISSUE GROWTH! Did everyone not hear the part where Kiefer said that insulin is responsible for one thing in the body? Tissue growth. You are not going to grow massive amounts of mass without insulin.
People eat no carb to get LEAN and LOSE FAT. These runs counter to GETTING BIG and GETTING MASSIVE.
I still win.
Just look at most of the big guys at the gym....or my gym anyway. Most of them give no shits about any types of diet. They just eat. Eat more to gain, eat less to lose. Just making sure to hit tons of protein and the carbs come naturally unless your trying to eliminate them.ReplyDelete
Although if your not natural I'd presume using insulin would be enough to help grow...with glycogen being made from your bodies proteins. But then again....I don't see how that would be optimal, not to mention expensive.
That 12 eggs, oats, apple juice, whey drink sounds horrid. Let me know if you try it hah.
So aside from supplements and shit he ate 34 eggs and 6 cheeseburgers daily? That sounds incredibly unhealthy and expensive.ReplyDelete
When was bodybuilding ever about health?Delete
Not challenging this because I agree, but where does Jamie fall under that statement? Do you consider him to be a low carb anomaly or do you feel that his infrequent carb refeeds were necessary for him to get as big and strong as he is?ReplyDelete
It's probably just enough, but he's always bitching he can't gain weight either.....just sayin.Delete
That's only about 1,000,000 grams of carbs per day!ReplyDelete
You certainly do win.
I agree with you Paul, but it hurts to say that (pun coming). All of my injuries have come during phases when carbs were at, or below, 50 grams per day. My refusal to wave volume/intensity on a cut has bedeviled me the last 5 years: 3 knee surgeries and now my right shoulderReplyDelete
Yeah cutting fat doesn't even require low carb, just a calorie deficit. I know there are lots of people that want to argue that, but many decades of BBers cutting bodyfat to get into contest condition prove that.Delete
Low fat and moderate or high carb works just fine for cutting bodyfat. Bodybuilders did that all through the 90's.
I've never been "lean" since the age of 20, but I've gone from real fat to less fat (245-215) using this strategy. Keep the training the same, use lean protein sources, eat some carbs but don't go crazy, eat a little fat but don't go crazy. Allows me to still train hard without massive performance hits while stripping some fat.Delete
Walking also tends to help. I know guys who like to argue on the internet say cardio and calorie expenditure is pointless in the quest for fat loss, since it's always easier to cut 200 cals out of your food than to burn that amount (and still recover), but a couple of brisk walks a day makes a difference.
I have a feeling where it'll become a dilemna for me is once I get to that 15% or so bodyfat level. Going from there to 10% will probably take a much more dialed in approach and may require some low carb cycles.
Walking is fantastic. I hate when people argue against it. It has too many great benefits.Delete
Ive lifted for 18 years and ive noted that shorter guys (this applies to me as i'm 5ft 6") almost always get fat very easy eating higher carbs,you get stronger but you look shit and your power-to-weight-ratio goes into the toilet.ReplyDelete
Ive also noted that the strongest and best built "short" lifters and bodybuilders from the pre-insulin era (columbu,sipes,podda,grimek,citrone etc etc) all monitored their carbs.And these dudes were the genetic elite,us average types DEFINATELY have to watch them.
Pauls 100% right about the fact carbs are key for size but lots of us would just end up a bit stronger but fat as fuck.
To add to my last post,i feel that where many guys go wrong on a low carb eating plan (with carb backloading every few days or so) is that they don't eat enough fats,i made this mistake and lost strength,size...got injured etc but then when i started really up-ing my fats i noticed surprising strength and energy,my sex drive also increased which suggests a testosterone boosting effect from high fat intake.ReplyDelete
Ive also noticed my H.P.T.A. axis comes back a hell of a lot quicker after a cycle with the predator diet as well,especially if combined with herbal Dopamine and L.H. boosters (Macuna Pruriens and Tribulus)
Low carb blows for gaining mass. Low carb blows for losing fat. Low carb simply sucks ass and should be only reserved for certain health issues and/or people nearing contest shape that had to nose dive their macros because of a stubborn body type/system to get down to <6%.ReplyDelete
Other than that I have no idea why people push that shit. Jaime is an animal and awesome writer, but his diet confuses the hell out of me.
LOL I feel the same way. But it works for that midget.Delete
does he even fruits and veggies?ReplyDelete
HERE HERE what a welcome first email this morning man, glad there's someone sticking up for carbs out thereReplyDelete
Just to be precise: what is low and what is high carb in grams (per kg/lb bodyweight)? Where would you draw the line?ReplyDelete
Everyone has to find that out on their own. Low carb for me is 30 a day or less. High carb is 300+ a day. I find that 150 is just about perfect.Delete
Yeah to second what Paul said, it's individual. For me I start my diet out (212 bodyweight) @ 400 carbs and can drop about 12-13lbs on that much before adjusting. I do a 600g carb refeed per week as well. Some guys can ride out 400 carbs to stage condition and others will have to drop down to 50. It's all relativeDelete
I don't think there is "wining" at this type of argument. Training and dieting are way to goal specific for that. Dieting/eating that supports your training goals should be the real point.ReplyDelete
I don't think there is much of an argument anymore about carbs in relation to building mass. They have to be there or it's not happening.Delete
Here are three awesome videos by David Palumbo on nutrition. He is clearly a fan of low carbohydrate diets and I have never really seen someone explain the reasons behind a low carb diet so clearly before.ReplyDelete
But, in the 2nd video, around the 10 minute mark, he talks about people who want to gain muscle. At that point in the video, he says that if people want to gain muscle they need to introduce carbohydrates. Jamie can't hold Palumbo up as an example of someone who avoided carbs to gain muscle, unless he can show that Palumbo was saying one thing and doing another.
Paul, you seem categorically right on this point.